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coverage. that will do it for us today. again, the news of the day, the discovery of the two packages, confirmation by our president that they did contain explosive materials. the analysis here that the disruption clearly very effective, the media being overwhelmed. good for us. "hardball's" up right now. dangerous weekend? let's play "hardball." leading off tonight, friday night fights. the friday before election day. we've got all the fisted cuffs of the new right all in the arena now, the stomping of a
democratic activist, the quote security teams, arrest of a reporter in alaska, the take you out threat of a new york tea partier. the rough stuff keeps getting rougher. we start with the story on the news this afternoon. it all began when there was intelligence that suspicious packages were aboard planes coming from yemen to chicago. president obama spoke about this this afternoon. he called it a credible terror threat. plus, all the wrong moves. democrat kendrick meek is in no, he's out. wait, he's back in again. bill clinton tried, but failed to get him out of the florida senate race, so the tea party darling, marco rubio, could be beaten. and suspiciouses confirmed. we know through a presidential report that dick cheney's old company halliburton knew the
cement used to seal the bp well was unsafe. despite being denied subpoena power. imagine what the commission would be able to uncover if it had a free hand and subpoena power. finally, what do you do when you're meg whitman and your poll numbers are sinking? you call for your housekeeper of nine years to be deported from the country. that's in the "sideshow." we begin with the serious stuff of the president. president obama called it a credible terrorist threat. those packages from yemen bound for america. richard engel and michael sheehan, richard, it looks like based upon what brennan said this afternoon, that we got a high sign from somebody. a heads-up that there were dangerous packages aboard those planes. >> yes, by nbc's reporting, that
came from saudi arabia. we got a tip about what was coming, then the u.s. officials started looking for it, so by all accounts, yesterday, american national security terrorism officials were told, hey, be on the lookout for two packages heading for jewish centers in chicago. today, they found them and have been looking for anything coming from yemen today and according to president, those two packages were identified and did contain some explosive materials. >> do we know what that means? like something with a trigger on it when you open it, it blows up? >> good question. i've been wondering that myself. did they contain some sort of bomb making material or were they a bomb ready to go? and if you look at this kind of attack, it's a very round about way to carry out an attack. to put something in the mail
that has got to go through several different international borders to finally make it to a synagogue in chicago. there are few packages that come out of yemen. the people who operate that know this would be a red flag for anyone. you have to start asking, was the objective to have a bomb explode at a synagogue in chicago or was it to trigger a response, a media response. >> sure. >> to get everybody riled up over this. >> you'd have to be pretty united if you're a terrorist to think a rabbi would open a package from yemen. let's go to the president. i don't mean to be sarcastic, but this is a strange plot. let's go here to the president this afternoon. >> last night and earlier today, our intelligence and law enforcement professionals working with our friends and
allies identified two suspicious packages bound for the united states. specifically, two places of jewish worship in chicago. those packages have been located in dubai and east midlands airport. initial examination has determined they do apparently contain explosive material. >> any way. excuse me, guys. let me go to michael sheehan. the president seemed to have delivered that news without affect. what do you make of how he's handling this in temprms of the election tuesday? >> i think the president had to walk a fine line. our intelligence worked. these two devices intercepted, so he has a good story. but he has to do two things. he has to show we're serious,
focused on this effort and the other hand, show calm so that this al-qaeda activity or whatever it was doesn't interrupt our way of life, our economy. i think he struck that balance we well. >> we'll finish up with this. here's the president late this afternoon. >> we will continue to pursue additional protective measures for as long as it takes to ensure the safety and security of our citizens. i have also directed that we spare no effort in investigating the orgins of these suspicious packages and their connecting to any additional terrorist plotting. we know that the packages originated in yemen. we also know that al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, a terrorist group based in yemen, continues to plan attacks against our home land, our citizens and our friends and
allies. >> hopefully, we can put this story to bed because american democracy is more important than the terrorist threat, especially if this is attempt to discombobulate us before the election. yemen, al-qaeda in yemen. is this a threat we're going to have to keep a particular eye on? >> i think this was an attempt to discombobulate more than to actually destroy or kill people. they know how to do that. they're able to do that. i think yes, there are going to be more people in yemen who want to do harm. the government of yemen is a friendly government, but it's hard to stop some citizens who want to put a small bomb in the mail because they know it's going to frighten some american people and get the security services very riled up. >> i think we have to get calm and the president looked like he was today. looked like a good show by our security forces. we got the word ahead of time. we checked the bomb out. we're safe. thank you. up next, why are we seeing
so much violence and violent talk from conservative candidates and their supporters? i've never seen this kind of behavior. arrests, foot stomped. talking about second amendment remedies using guns against politicians. i've followed politics for half a cinchry, never heard talk like this. was gathered together in one place. [ printer whirs ] done. ♪ thanks. do you work here? not yet. from tax info to debunking myths, the field guide to evolving your workforce has everything you need. download it now at thinkbeyondthelabel.com.
sarah palin's hand picked senate candidate, joe miller, nup alaska, is fading fast as the revelation that he was disciplined for politicking in that municipal job and then lying about it. but palin offered a full throated defense and singled out what she calls his honor. >> let's send joe miller to the united states senate to shake it up. no more business as usual. let's restore america with
honor. that is what joe miller will bring to the united states senate. >> wow, she's yelling, but reading from notes. not a strong sign. may not be enough. here's the latest average on joe miller's free fall and the national democrats sensing opportunities are giving mcadams a boost. they're going out with new ads hoping to pick off a senate seat as republicans and conservatives split up the vote on the right in alaska. every day thousands of people are switching from tylenol to advil. to learn more and get your special offer, go to takeadvil.com. take action. take advil.
four points above feingold. he may be closing. now to california. the new field poll, the big poll out of the chronicle has boxer up by eight, looking comfortable over fiorina. 49-41. alaska. 34% said they were going to vote for the write-in candidate, which means lisa murkowski. it's the democrat in second place at 29, then miller, the favorite of the tea party, he's dropped a third. the tricky part is, again, the write-in candidate has to get mb to say i'm going to write your name in. in florida, marco rubio built a big lead with the mason-dixon po poll. he's close to 50. up to 45. charlie crist. 28. not good. it's going to be a close one.
we'll continue to check the scoreboard on all the big races leading up to november 2nd. let's get physical. howard fineman, an nbc ang-- an joan walsh. let's start with the video from outside the kentucky debate this week. let's watch and listen and judge if we were on the jury, a criminal case, what kind of punishment would you assign?
>> get the police! >> no, no, no, no. come on! >> well, that head stomper thing, tim proffit told the local radio station that he feared for rand paul's safety. i would let you start, joan, because i know you will find this outrageous. it seems that was a bit storm trooperish. >> there's been a lot of defense of him, saying he was just trying to bring her down. he put his foot, a lot of people were saying the foot was on the shoulder. it went from shoulder to the head. can you imagine being that poor woman? maybe she got a little close to rand paul's car, but she did not look like a threat and did not deserve to have her head stomped by a rand paul volunteer. i don't think enough attention has been paid to this. it's very dangerous, very
sobering. >> i think there's a certain whiff of something here i don't like, which is the evidence of going operational. these are just supporters. they go into this fighting mode. >> and they did it against a woman engaging in street theatre there with a wig on, who is no physical threat to rand paul. having worked in kentucky and known rand paul, there's nothing special about kentucky. it's a hard fought battle with a lot of nasty stuff. very nasty things said. don't forget, chris, that virtually every ad has been negative. there's been little positive advertising on everything. >> she's crunching her there. >> it's a short hop, skip, step and a jump from calling somebody
evil or unpatriotic. >> here's miller up there. joe miller, who may not even get first or second place in alaska. he hires these military guys, some who were in our country's service at the time. he has something to do with the militia group up there. here he is with his guards. these guys have a video, and we're going to show it to you. i've never heard of politicians hiring a bunch of military guys to be their group of hell's angels. i've never seen so much of this. joan, your thoughts. you've covered campaigns. i've never seen teams of military being hired to work in a campaign. >> i haven't seen reporters handcuffed for asking questions.
lisa murkowski is trying to make something of this and as well she should. this does not happen in america. you do not detain reporters for asking questioning. in this case, there wasn't even a remote threat. >> let's take a look at the murkowski ad. maybe she's going to make some headway out of this. >> joe miller's answer to freedom of the press? arrest the journalist. joe miller's answer to illegal immigration? use east germany as an example. what kind of america does joe miller live in? it's time for a return to common sense. time to return lisa murkowski to washington. >> i'm lisa murkowski and i approve in message. >> throwing in east coast action, carl paladino telling a reporter he's going to take him out, you're going to wake up
saturday morning in the river somewhere. i'm going to take you out. >> that's just new york. >> no. there's not a person who saw that didn't see that as a physical threat. >> going to talk to rupert murdoch about the guy's job. >> everybody's running against the press, especially on the republican side. it started out as a benign tactic, but it's not anymore. for a lot of the hard core supporters of republicans candidates, verbal attack after verbal attack on the press is their thing. >> how about angle saying she's not going to do any interviews. >> this is her thinking. you put those together with -- >> she's never done this yet. what paladino threatened. let's take a look at that one. >> do you have any evidence for the charge you made?
>> at the appropriate time, you'll get it. >> the attorney general of new york -- where's the evidence? >> you send another goon to my daughter's house and he'll take you out, buddy. >> how you going to do that? >> watch. >> how do you not laugh. >> here's sharron angle. let's see what she had to say to him. >> you know, our founding fathers, they put that second amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a -- i hope that's not where we're going, but you know, at this congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those second
amendment remedies. they're saying, my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around and i'll tell you, the first thing we need to do is take harry reid out. >> just a thought here. suppose she wins and could easily win next tuesday. she's going to the united states senate, which she has threatened by armed attack if they don't vote the right way. there is no other meaning to the people are looking to those second amendment remedies if this congress keeps going the way it's going. those are the words. i don't want to compare her to hitler, but we've made the mistake in the past of not listening to people. she's pretty open about her attitudes. >> you had a republican candidate for congress in dallas, texas last week saying something similar and revolution. what i don't understand, i may not like it, but some are doing
very well at the polls. they're discrediting our great more than system and threatening if they don't get their way, that we might need a revolution if we have this president-elect it is disturbing. >> what amazing me is that harry reid, the democratic leader of the senate, may lose to that person. >> who's talking gunplay. you can decide if this is fair. here's rich iott in his uniforms. he likes to dance around in nazi uniform. i know people who love re-enactments, but i don't know anyone who's a nazi nut. here's john boehner campaigning with him. i don't think he knows the right salute, thank god. what do you think of boehner going out there and holding
hands with this character. you can do anything you want on the weekends. he chooses to put on a nazi uniform. >> and tells us it's not about admiring the nazi party, but what they did militarily. it's can you imagine somebody saying that about nazism on the democratic side? it's mind boggling and john boehner ought to know better. he just really wants to be speaker very badly and isn't going to let a little nazism stand in his way. >> i can't imagine if you had for example, a pro-life protester. they're pretty graphic. show teddy bears the kid will never hug. i'm very sympathetic to that point of view and if anybody ever grabbed one of those pro-lifers who was getting in the face of a candidate, and
stomped them, it would be a biggest story in the world. when a right winger does it, oh, i guess he had a hard day. thought this person was a threat to his candidate. they're wearing nazi uniforms, arresting people, threatening to take them out and stomping them and all this stuff seems to be going, wait a minute, there's a pattern here. >> i think there are different categories of offenses here. i haven't heard -- >> you don't see a theme here? >> what i see is the theme is the rough edge of american politics right now, which has been dragged hard to the right. >> how about the fringe has always been there, but because of bad times, these people are getting nominated. if you look at history, i'm sure sometimes on the left, there was rough stuff over the years. if you want to go back to the
'30s, various parts of what was going on during the great depression. >> they were clashing with the pinkertons. >> some not nice things that happened on the other side. >> this year. >> i'm not saying it isn't this year. >> i think it's peculiar. >> i think it's extremely unbalanced. i can't think of other example of a democratic congressional or senate candidate at this point using these tactics. i'm not totally comfortable. >> look at history. >> we don't know all the way back, do we? thank you, howard fineman. you're right, but not now. thank you, joan walsh. >> i'll be thinking of you in arlington this weekend at the world series. >> okay. i never did like expansion teams
especially when run by george bush. they played very well and had a very good championship season. i think the giants have been playing very well. three times in a row, they've been in the game. that's something. >> fear the beard. >> when we get the pitching and batting together in one year, look out. and tomorrow, watch "rise of the new right" for a look at what's going on in the conservative fringe of this country. tomorrow morning at 7:00 eastern. up next, meg whitman says the housekeeper she fired should be, oh, this is kind. the one she loves, should be deported. that naked play for conservative votes next on the "sideshow." i think she's going right.
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back to "hardball" and time for the "sideshow," which gets better and better. first, thrown overboard. last month, meg whitman's former housekeeper accused whitman of knowingly employeeing her as an undocumented worker for nine years. this week on fox, whitman was asked whether diaz should be deported. he comes the kindness. >> it breaks my heart, but she should be deported because she forged domes and lied about her immigration status and it breaks my heart. gloria allred pulled off a political stunt. the law is the law and we live in a rule of law. it's important. >> it breaks my heart.
do you believe that? is it about the rule of law or your fading poll numbers? while it's likely people will still care about diaz, looks like you don't care about her. next, is there a tea party revolt? michele bachmann, our favorite, the most visible lawmaker was asked yesterday, who would she support for speaker of the house. catch her noncommittal response -- where did they get that picture. it depends on how much and how big the tea party wins tuesday. finally, rebecca clayfish is getting heat for an interview
with a local christian radio station -- how about two people who love each other? after that clip resurfaced, she apologized yesterday for her quote. poor choice of words. alaska's supreme court ruled yesterday that liss can hand out a list of candidates on election day. a local radio host who supports joe miller told his flock to
register his write-ins, which is why there are 150 write-in candidates. alaska's senior citizen gets know snowed in, if you will. up next, high drama in florida as bill clinton tries to get kendrick meek out of the senate race. this whole episode doesn't make the democrats look too smart. our strategists join us next. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. sea salt to more soups. plus five dollars in coupons to get you started. campbell's condensed soup. pass it on. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™
uncertainty about future moves to the federal reserve. now, back to "hardball." the president and i talked about it. i told him i didn't feel comfortable with it. >> what is it, when you say we talked about it. >> the rumor i was going to drop out of the race. he loves to talk about all options. i'm not going to do it. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was florida senate candidate, kendrick meek, on his talks with bill clinton about dropping out of the race. today, bill clinton issued this statement, quote --
wow. well, steve mcmahon's the democratic strategist and todd harris is the republican strategist. you're chuckling like mad. todd, you've got a three-way race down there, the tea party winning. you're in good shape. there's the other half split between meek and the sitting republican governor. bill clinton has been rumored to want kendrick out of the race. i don't think he actually denied it. i don't think any of these quotes actually deny suggesting it would be fine with him if kendrick got out and let crist have a shot. >> i think bill clinton is a lot smarter than that. >> than what? >> i really don't think that he put pressure on him to get out. >> no, nobody's saying that. nobody with any brains.
conversations in politics are never like anybody thinks they are. you can have a conversation about well, whatever you decide, it's good for me. >> i don't think that bill clinton thinks it would be a good idea for bill clinton to drop out. there are a couple of days left. hold on. i'm serious. 1.7 million people have already voted. even if -- even if kendrick meek were to drop out, i'm not sure how much of a difference. >> if your candidate doesn't have 50% and the others are splitting 50%, common sense says if they get together, they can win. >> it's not that easy, guys, i'm living down here. >> let me take this one. kendrick meek is generally polling around 20% and todd's candidate is polling around 45%.
if you take kendrick meek's vote and add it to charlie crist, that's best way to stop a tea party republican from becoming a senator in florida. president clinton understands that. probably at this point when you're sitting at 20 and your opponent is a at 45, the best thing for your party and country might be to consider getting out. not suggesting he should, but just the talk is probably going to take him from 20 to 15 and maybe further down. i think charlie crist is going to be gaining votes regardless. >> won't you be cheering for darrell issa next year? then you'll turn and say, this has to be looked into. >> look, i think this whole thing is so backwards. the whole thing from start to
finish is so absurd and i'm going to go out on a limb right now on "hardball" and predict that charlie crist is going to come in third in this race. i honestly believe that. >> okay. good work. this is the race, you've got vitor down there. he got caught with them in louisiana. we all thought he was dead. a dead fish. here he is closing pretty well. his opponent is, i can't pronounce the french, he will do that for you in the proper cajun accent. he's behind. he's trying to kill him. let's listen. >> our tax dollars pay david vitter's salary. he used it for prostitutes.
our money paid for his serious sin. phone calls to prostitutes for votes. in return, we got a disgraced senator ranked among the least effective in congress. the real sin is that david vitter's still a senator. >> isn't that a sin by louisiana? it's a good ad, and it's all true, i guess. >> all true. >> what do you make of the ad that he needs that to put him away? >> this is already reflected in the value of the stock, as they say. i don't think anyone's going to be surprised by the information in this ad. you have to pull all the pieces together. it's not just about the way he treated the taxpayer's money. >> i've got to go to todd. they're saying he used his salary. >> government issued cell phone. >> what is he supposed to use?
i'm not depending anything, but the thing is, used taxpayers money. it says our tax dollars paid david vitter's salary and he used it for prostitutes. >> i give him credit for being creative, but the ad is not going make a dime's worth of difference. the public is already aware of this. this looks pretty desperate to me. i don't think it's going to make any difference at all. >> would you vote for david vitter? >> i don't live in louisiana. thanks. he thinks he's winning. up next, the president's commission investigate the massive oil spill has discovered this nugget. halliburton, the old dick cheney company, knew that the cement used wasn't safe before that rig blew up. they had found the guilty
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and causing the worst disaster in the american history, both bp and halliburton knew there were problems, specifically, halliburton knew that the company that provided the cement mixture had conducted tests showing it wasn't stable. the president's commission had an outside lab do tests and in nine tests, the mixture was found to be unstable. third co is representing oil riggers and the others hurt by this bill and the former labor secretary and ou thor of, paul,. it strikes me that we'd be getting more information like this that the president's oil spill commission had the subpoena power and it's been denied them for partisan reasons by mitch mcconnell. your word on that. >> anytime you conduct an
investigation like this, it's critical to have subpoena power. the marines and coast guard have been investigating the situation for months. they complained repeatedly they've had trouble getting cooperation from the company producing documents and getting witnesses to show up. if you don't have subpoena power, you are essentially running an makes it very diffic question the people you really need to talk to. >> and what do we know now with this report that's all over the papers today? what is it that you learn, what is the fact here that both sides would have to agree on now that the cement mixture that led to the failure of that cement mixture that led that well to blow, caused it to blow? >> well, what we've known all along and what this report confirms for those of us who've been investigating the case is that there were concerns about the cement in terms of its mixture, as you say, its chemical makeup and its volume that we're using a night right-type cement that's not used very often in these
conditions in terms of temperature and pressure at these depths. halle burton knew it. halliburton shares space with bp, almost one in the same when it it comes to this and although halliburton is a subcontractor of bp. they knew going in concerns with in cement but with what what we saw in a number of instances leading up to the explosion, delays in operations, delays in completing the well, a the consequent overruns in cost resulting in ignoring critical safety decisions and told what ultimately was the explosion. >> you know i don't want to dramatize the expense, too much, mr. secretary, bob reich, but it seems to me that the whole theme corporate behavioriors this day is cost-cutting. the whole day how you keep up the dow, your profit level is not to an imaginative enterprise but through cost-cutting and here we have a classic example of that. >> well absolutely, chris. this is not new. halliburton has a long, long and undistinguished history being kind of a corporate serial if
not a criminal, well, at least someone or an institution that cuts costs to the detriment of the public. i mean, we also know -- i mean halliburton in iraq, look at the cost overruns, look at the foreign bribery in nigeria. look at the amount that halliburton has basically charged the u.s. government that were found, those charges were found to be absolutely spacious over and over again. halliburton -- ever since dick cheney got there in 1995 became a prime military contractor, and, again, the evidence shows repeatedly that halliburton put public -- the public interest behind private profits. >> well, let me ask you about these two dichotomy here. when they're work efficient u.s. government in iraq are they operating on a plus basis. and therefore they'll gin them up, they'll pack them with costs whereas drilling an oil well down on the coast of the gulf of
mexico, they're trying to make a buck themselves. there they do chince. they'll mad they're charging the government. >> well, they clearly are concerned about the bottom line from day one. bp and halle burton have a long history of drilling wells together in the gulf of mexico. they've been doing this for a number of years. this mackondo well was the most recent example. it's all about how quickly can we get done and how cheaply can we get it done and if heal burton makes money, transocean makes money, bp makes money, it's all intertwined and it becomes the bottom line over the legitimate concern which is we going to put people's safety at risk and risk the environment? at the end of the day all of these companies did that, put the bottom line ahead of the safety and the result is this oil blow out. >> in the people s republic i want to get to the question here with an expert and go back to you on the general question of economics here.
paul, seems to me in china when someone gets a call like this they will get their head chopped off. they're very extreme in their punishments. are we going to find out by the end of all of this maybe in a couple of weeks, who made the decision from that pressure up above that that call was made. >> we'll find out through this civil litigation. the judge has set the trial of this case for february of 2012. and we will learn through our investigation and if necessary through putting witnesses on a witness stand in federal court exactly who made what decisions, when they were made, why they were made -- >> okay we've got to go. >> and how -- and how it all led up to you disaster. >> i'm sorry, bob, we have to go. robert reich, thank you out of berkeley, thanks for joining us. and when we return, let me finish with some thoughts about the violent impulses we're seeing among the tea party crowd. it's scary stuff. and chins sure i'd like to diversify my workforce,
let me finish tonight with this whiff of street thuggery in this tea party. i don't know about you but i've learned to pay attention to when political movements begin to act out their extremist's streaks. you tell me the last time a mainstream american candidate hired strong arm types, paramilitary types to fight him with street security. that guy up in alaska has the buys as you see here work for him. do you find something historically familiar. in this street muscle to comprise your cad ra? i do? these guys look a little too martial for our american brand of politics and what are they
doing to have their reporter out to ask a question? and what do we make of this stomping scene now the kentucky? i've been out to a lot of political events where all kinds of people showed up and seen street scenes where thugs show up. they use chaos as their opportunity to hurt someone. take a good look at this guy, jamming his foot on that woman's neck, that young woman's neck. that's not behavior of someone who believes in live and let live. that's the instinct of someone bent on rigid ideological enforcement, political street thuggery and its most graphic. check out this tea partier in new york state, who taunted aortreporter, not me, who had dared to ask him a question. he didn't like it. i'll take you out, there he is, i'll take you out. what's your action to that? what do you think is going on in that scene? where are we getting these candidates? could it be that the tea partiers are nominating folks of the fringe that have been pushed aside over the years but are now getting near actual public office? catch this guy up in ohio, who spends his weekend strutting in